Fluke introduced the 8020A in the late 1970s as its first handheld DMM. These 3½-digit, 2000-count models can still be found on the used market, and can still be very useable, if they’re in working condition. Unfortunately though, LCD problems are common on this 30+ year-old device.
This example was obtained rather inexpensively in a group of three derelict handheld meters. (See also: Elenco LCR Meter, Keithley 135 DMM) The LCD is obviously suffering from some malady that causes it to look dark. None of the segments can be seen at all.
In an attempt to find out exactly which part of the LCD has turned dark, I carefully removed the polarized reflective backing. This reveals that the glass is still clear, and the backing is responsible for the darkening. But even placing the glass over a new piece of polarizing film and testing it shows that none of the segments work, so this display cannot be recovered.
50Hz 5Vp-p bi-polar square wave applied to new LCD
Getting a new LCD that exactly matches this Fluke part may be next to impossible. But this DMM is very basic and only needs 3½ digits with decimal points, a leading minus sign, and a low-battery annunciator. There are several readily-available generic 3½-digit LCDs that can possibly work.
I chose the Lumex LCD-S3X1C50TR/B because it has exactly the same dimensions as the original LCD, and has exactly the features needed with no unneeded segments. The original display has a colon and a plus sign, which are not used, but have to be connected to the backplane clock signal to prevent being accidentally activated.
The original LCD used a single elastomeric connector on the top edge for the 30 signals coming from the main PCB. The chosen replacement has a row of 20 0.1-inch pitch pins on both top and bottom edges. Therefore the plastic LCD support bracket will have to be milled to create relief areas for these pins. Great precision is not really required, but there are support posts on the back side that need to be left attached. This makes for a tight fit for the end pins on the back row.
Connection Diagram (click to expand)
I chose to use single strands of solid 30-gauge insulated wire-wrap wire. For a mechanically secure connection to the LCD pins, I used a manual wire-wrap tool to make a secure wrap around each the LCD pins used. Small pieces of heat-shrink tubing provide strain relief and prevent accidental shorts.
All of the wires are routed around to the front and threaded through a plastic strip that has been drilled with a row of 30 tiny holes at the same pitch as the PCB pads. This keeps the wires in order so that they can be carefully sorted out and lined up before being soldered to the pads.
Soldering was a fairly quick process. The PCB pads were given a generous coat of flux. Holding the wire on the pad with a soldering aid and touching with a wet soldering iron tip created reliable joints.
I checked and double-checked the wires against the connection diagram before soldering (and caught a couple of mistakes.) So after soldering, a power-up test reveals that the LCD is working correctly and there are no misconnections. Since this is the first time I’ve seen this particular DMM work, a quick calibration and function check is in order. As is often the case with old Fluke DMMs, this unit is still quite accurate.
In order to check the low battery annunciator, the meter was powered from a variable DC power supply. Surprisingly the low battery condition is signaled below 7.65V, which seems high. Especially since the meter appears to work all the way down to 4.00V, below which the display fades out. The average current drawn is about 2.4mA.
Thanks to user ‘lowimpedance’ and others for starting a discussion at the EEVBlog forum that provided inspiration for this project.
DMMCheck calibration check results for this Fluke 8020A:
| Reference | Reading | Notes | |
| DC | 5V | 5.00 | |
| 1mA | 1.003 | ||
| AC | 5V | 5.55 | nominal=5.55 for non-TRMS |
| 1mA | 1.096 | nominal=1.111 for non-TRMS | |
| Ohms | 100Ω | 100.2 | 0.3 with leads shorted |
| 1K | 1.000K | ||
| 10K | 10.00K | ||
| 100K | 100.0K | ||
I drilled two small holes in the vertical plastic of the LCD carrier so that I would not need to route wires around the ends. I wish I had thought of the “wire loom” strip you made to organize the wires. Makes everything much more “neat”. No complaints though, my repair has functioned well for almost two years now. I always loved the “radio buttons” on the 8020A (as opposed to a rotary knob). Made changing from ohms to volts, a one handed operation, so no need to drop the test leads. Very nice presentation, photos, and diagram. Pushing the LCD end pins in a bit to save more plastic on the carrier’s two “skinny” posts was a good call too. Mine stayed on, but there was not a lot of plastic left to keep them attached.
Thanks for the kind feedback. Drilling holes to route the back wires sounds like a good idea, too. It’s nice to know others are bringing these old but very useable instruments back to life. Hope this inspires more to do the same.
this for the motivation.
i may be able to use some ideas here for fixing my old Beckamn 320 that has the black display problem.
Good luck on your Beckman. That LCD processor-chip stack-up affair might be a challenge. Let us know if you’re successful!
Thanks for your post.
I just bought a 8020B on the fleamarket, the display was barely
readible so I replaced it using your wiring scheme.
http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/688/fluke8020b.jpg
Excellent! Great job, and thanks for the report on your restored 8020B. The continuity tester on that model is the best/fastest I have ever used on any multimeter, new or old, cheap or expensive. It never misses.
Yep im looking at another of your repairs 🙂
Im not sucking up to you, but thats a beautifull job done!!
So dam neat and the result is cristal clear.
ill remember your repair if i ever come across one 🙂
Thanks. It’s all here for the looking, enjoy.
Awesome work. I wanted to know if you had the connection diagram for the Lumex LCD-S3X1C50TR/B seen here, but for the Fluke 8050A? I had purchased a replacement LCD a while back for another project and had this around. Looks like it would work in the 8050A too. Thanks
The 8050A is 4-1/2 digits (20,000 count) so this LCD wouldn’t work. But there is a way to make an 8050A glow in the dark.
Really great page you have here, which inspired me to start the work on my dad’s 8020A. What is interesting is that this is a newer 8020 (early 1980s) that sports a different supporting base which does not require the top to be milled – it already has an opening that nicely fits the LCD.
I have another 8020A that has the same base as yours, and it will go through the same restoration path. Thank you!
I am French.
Thanks to your website.
I have been able to fix my fluke 8020A.
Your work has been a great help for me and I want to thank you a lot for your precious work.
Many thanks
Regards
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Nice job!
Have a Fluke 8020A with the very same display problem. Just ordered a new LCD and soon will be replacing it. Thanks for this much useful and very clear guidance. Regards
BTW, the case of the DVM I’ve got looks really bad and would like to bring it back to its original beige colour. Water and kitchen detergent does not make much a difference. Did someone find a non-damaging way (or product) to clean up the plastic case ? Thanks.
I’ve always had pretty good luck with householder cleaners and some muscle. Mechanic’s hand cleaner and melamine (Magic Eraser) sponges are usually helpful. Check this related blog entry if you haven’t already. Also check the comments, somebody mentioned using effervescent denture cleaner, which sounds like a neat idea.
You can also try an internet search for “Retro Bright”. It’s not so much a product as it is a recipe for a hydrogen peroxide-based concoction. I’ve never tried it, but it looks promising.
I’ve tried baking soda mixed with water which helps clean the grime and bring back some of the original color of the plastic though mine still looks yellowish.
I’ll try vinegar also.
I just fixed my dad’s old 8022A and this post was very helpful so just wanted to say thanks; especially the part about the drilled plastic strip, that’s genius!
For the record, in case anyone googles wondering if it’s compatible, I used a DE 113-RS-20/7,5 which has equivalent specs and it worked just fine. It was available for less than the Lumex in Sweden. 🙂
Thanks for the kind comments and the additional substitution info. Hope your Dad gets many more years out of his refurbished instrument.
Found my old 8022A the other day, decided it was time to either find a replacement display or get rid of it. Didn’t have much hope until I found the lowimpedance post and then your awesome page describing the Lumex display. Ordered the display that day, installed it the day it arrived, and have been grinning ear to ear ever since……..
Thanks for all the work you put into the page, great pics, great drawings and great write up.
And to be honest, I would have stuck it back on the shelf for another 20 years before I parted with it.
Can confirm this fix also works with Fluke 8021B. Only issue is the LCD “holder” requires significantly more “machining” and that the front (closest to the input terminals) LCD pins need to either be shortened, or bent over significantly to clear the capacitors directly below them. Learned that one the hard way when I had my first repair attempt fail catastrophically with the LCD breaking and sheering the whole lower section off.
So, just take your time making sure the LCD seats into the holder, and that pressure isn’t being put on the LCD pins, or glass. Otherwise, fix worked great. Also had to re-solder the common jack. 🙂
Thanks!
Nice to hear about another rescue. Sparksalot over at the Antique Radio Forum also did his 8024B, and also learned the hard way about the importance of the new LCD sitting flat without any stress points. But he stuck with it and the final result was good.
BTW, even with all the fancy late-model multimeters I have laying around, I still keep an 8021B sitting on my workbench, because it has an awesome fast continuity tester that’s great for tracing PCBs. It never misses.
Yeah. I have an 8060A, a 12, an 87, and a 189 I use in different situations all the time. While a don’t have an 8021B myself, I have thought about buying a broken one to do this repair again. =)
The worst part of the whole process was “machining” the LCD holder. So much plastic everywhere. That’s probably why I had the pressure points I did, because I was so done with cleaning up plastic shavings/dust. But the end result is just awesome. After some plastic polish on the lens, the LCD looks better than new.
I’m actually curious which bit you used for this… because I tried both a Proxxon bit, and a Dremel general-purpose cutting bit, and they were both squirrelly as hell.
The bit is a straight cutter from a Dremel brand 4 piece tungsten carbide cutter set that I thought was a bit pricey at the time, but has turned out to be a good investment. I think the number is 9901.
Using a Proxxon instead of a Dremel taught me the importance of spindle runout. I only use the old Dremel for nasty rough work now. Also the Proxxon has more torque at lower speeds, which keeps the plastic from melting and clogging the bit.
Awesome, thanks! What proxxon stand are you using? Is it the vise, or the drill press stand?
Any ideas if this will work on an 8060? and if not any suggestions?
Thanks,
Jason
The 8060A is a 4-1/2 digit meter, so this particular 3-1/2 digit replacement LCD will not work. I suppose it may be theoretically possible to find a generic 4-1/2 digit LCD with the right dimensions. But the original has some unique annunciators (Hz, dB, continuity bar) that a generic will not have.
About the only source for a replacement is a parts donor, but finding one for a reasonable price may be hard. A working 8060A can still go for $80 or more on eBay.
I suggest hitting up forums, especially EEVblog and the like. I was able to get some spare 8060A buttons (the rubber ones below the screen) and the button caps (side) from someone there gratis. Never hurts to ask… otherwise, yeah, you’re looking for parts units. =/
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I replaced the display of my 1978 8020A in 2010.
A photo of the finished work: http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/103466#1963086
Its still in good shape and within specification.
Best Regards
I was given an old Fluke that was salvaged out of an abandoned garage. It is a 8020A (ser# 0670756)
Inside was very clean. Initial reading were erratic, but since exercising the switches with alcohol cleaning – all readings are nearly identical to my brand new Fluke 117!
However, I am having one problem: the center decimal point never turns off.
I have been unable to see anything that may be causing it. Should I be suspecting a selector switch, or LCD/display driver?
The decimal points and the low-battery annunciator are driven by a CD4030 CMOS quad XOR IC (U7). Below the display and to the left side. The DPs are controlled by DC logic levels that come from the selector switches and go to the gate inputs. The outputs to the LCD are all 50Hz square waves derived from the LCD backplane (BP) signal. When the gate input is logic low, the gate passes the BP signal straight through, and the LCD segment is OFF. When the gate input is logic high, the gate inverts the BP signal and the LCD segment will be ON.
Inputs for the left, middle and right DPs are U7P13, U7P6, and U7P8. Measure these on DCV range, with respect to U7P7. About 5V DC or more for logic high (DP ON), and about zero for logic low (DP OFF).
Outputs for the left, middle and right DPs are U7P11, U7P4, and U7P10. Measure these on ACV range, with respect to U7P2. About 5 to 6V AC for DP ON, and about zero for DP OFF. The exact voltage is unimportant, true RMS and non-true RMS meters will give different readings.
Checking these levels with the switches in various positions should allow you to tell if the driver IC is faulty or the logic level going into the IC is stuck high for some reason.
CHECK THE CAPACITOR TRACKS, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PCB
Just picked up a 8020A today and it has the dark display. I can tell the digits are changing, it’s just very difficult to see them. Should I remove the polarizing film? Not sure what to do next
You can try to carefully peel the darkened rear polarizer off like in my photograph. Citrus cleaner/solvent helps. It can be replaced with a piece of bright white paper with some generic polarizing film on top. You will have to determine the correct orientation for the film. The contrast will be a little less than the original.
I just want to thank you for the great suggestion! It was years I didn’t trash my old Fluke, Sperry-Univac gave me on my first day with them, because, even with a black display, I felt it was working (well, I had a look at some pins with a scope and they were alive…) and I wondered a day I could find a display. I just finished your rework and it shows nice digits: it looks brand new. I also managed to restore the original probes (high quality wire!) and, surprisingly, it shows perfect readings, better than any Chinese new multimeter.
Congrats on the restoration job! Hope it gives you many more years of service.
Thanks for a great piece of engineering work. I am working on my 1981 8020A today. I made a small ding on the plastic that is applied to the front of the new display. Can that be peeled off and discarded? Thanks again!
It turns out the answer is yes!!
I congratulate you for your note. Can you please tell me where to get the lcd module of the 8060A? Thank you.
Mr. Justo V.
Just a quick thanks – the displays on these used to die when they were new, too. I got a new lcd from Fluke when my meter was only a few years old, took about five minutes to replace and cost maybe ten bucks, I was ecstatic (a $200 meter in 1978 was a lot of money).
So fast forward and I *knew* that getting a new display from Fluke was out of the question .. then I found your writeup.
I’m on the way to the electronics store now 🙂
Oops. Well, maybe mail-order. Does Lafayette carry these, do you s’pose ?
DIGIKEY has them for about $5 plus shipping.
I’ve collected five 8020A meters with black screens and I came across this post shortly after it went up. I bought six of the Lumex displays back in 2015 and put the whole project in a box “for when I have time”. ‘Sheltering in place’ during the Covid-19 pandemic seemed like a perfect time to get that box down. I had already purchased the (wonderful) Proxxon tool & drill press and I got an old OK wirewrap tool from a friend.
So after three (enjoyable) days, I fixed them all. I made my ‘comb’ to keep the wires straight and in order by drilling 30 holes, 0.5 mm diameter, with a 1.667 mm pitch in a regular nylon Ty-Rap. Everything went like it was supposed to.
I found that two of the meters had a newer style ‘chair’ to support the LCD, but I machined the front side just like shown above, and cut the whole back plate (with ridges like a heat sink) off, just leaving the two posts that receive the mounting screws.
Several of the solder pads on one meter just evaporated as I soldered to them, but I was able to scrape the green off the adjacent trace and solder to that (flux is your friend).
One last thing to mention is that I just looked for the Lumex display to see if it’s still available. Each of the regular suppliers lists it at varying prices, but for each of them, the minimum purchase is 3150 units. Sounds like Lumex is remaindering this display, so I hope someone buy the whole lot and offers them for resale.
Thanks, Mr Modemhead, for doing the legwork and making this, uh, almost easy. Your clear chart of what pins go where made the whole thing possible.
This replay is to anyone on this list interested in a Fluke meter. My dad was a fantastic technician (worked for Bell Telephone for more than 40 years). Recently I found his well preserved Fluke meter – which looks exactly like the one shown here in this dialogue, though it’s model no. is listed on the bottom front as a Western Electric KS-22861 L1. It turns on, has the carrying case, and wires, and like the ones you are all talking about, it too has a blacked out screen. I do not have a use for it, it is mostly sentimental value since I knew it was with him all the time. I’d like it to go to use -so if any one on this list would like it or know someone who wants it, I’m willing to ship it to you – just so it doesn’t go in a garbage heap and gets used. Just let me know.
Thanks, Mr Modemhead, for researching pinouts for this amazing device.I had it for 2-3 years in a box labeled later projects.Purchased from fleabay,the clasic lines and the cheap price convinced me that I need it.Here is my mod :
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hi i have a problem with my dad’s fluke 8020a. The screen is fine, it turns on and moves the points on the screen but it does not measure anything, it is at 0 and the on-screen indicator of the BT battery is always active, please help.
HI
good morning
I have a FLUKE 8024A and the display has lost sharpness and contrast.
some colleagues from the USA HAVE TOLD ME THAT YOU have a substitute for this LCD screen and I would like to be able to change the current one in my multimeter
Is this possible, and if so, what would be your cost in SPAIN?
Thank you very much for everything and thanking you in advance for your attention
Sincerely:
Jose Panisse Doctor Telecommunications Engineer Nº-3702
I have a HC601 meter is it possible to get another LCD display for this meter
Hi,
I bought a Fluke 8020A. Unfortunately the Intersil IC seems to be defect. I know there is an ‘equivalent’ the ICL 7106 from Intersil. I read there is a difference concerning the autorange, but is that the only difference?
Is it possible to use the ICL7106 without other changes?
Thanks in advance